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((In recent blog posts, Himaruya has been drawing alternate designs of some of the characters... While they don't outright say "2P" in the blog posts themselves, when I was saving them to put them in the stash, the filenames said "2p" in them... So, does that mean these are official 2P designs for more of the characters? (Originally I was going to say that they weren't 2P!designs because it didn't say so in the blog, but after seeing the original file names, I think I'm wrong...) The translated blog itself can be found here.

2p by Ask-2P-MMD-Feliciano

2syokunoamerica by Ask-2P-MMD-Feliciano
2p4 by Ask-2P-MMD-Feliciano
2p5 by Ask-2P-MMD-Feliciano
Romano by Ask-2P-MMD-Feliciano
But what is your opinion? Are these official 2P designs? Or is it just coincidence that the filenames happened to say "2p" in them? And if these are official 2P designs, what are your thoughts on them?

There was also a Goth!Hong Kong, but the filename didn't say 2p in it... Then again, neither did the filename for Romano... I still like the Romano design, though.))
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KatiBuscusPeltDiePie Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2015  Hobbyist Filmographer
I like these much better than the fan-made ones just cuz... idk. something about them... (translation: They look better and a bit hotter)
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Missplayer30 Featured By Owner Edited Jan 8, 2015  Hobbyist
I would do anything to make him confirm they are the official 2Ps, and the fandom can use them more instead. Seriously, I'm sick and tired of the fandom 2Ps (I kind of wish they would just die, don't kill me okay?), sadly they're going nowhere anytime soon, neither they would begin to do more fanarts of them... Unlike the Nyotalia version of Poland and Lithuania. Such a shame.
I have a headcanon of what could be the reaction of the official 2Ps (the one pictured here + the Axis as an extra) toward their fanmade selves and vice versa. missplayer30.tumblr.com/post/8…
Do you have any?
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ChromaticSkies Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Hmm... My theory is that the '2P's' are probably the darker sides of history. Like the official Hetalia chapters and episodes generally make light of history right? (Except Davie, the Revolutionary War and Joan of Arc I guess...). I mean, except for Romano, they all look a bit more serious and darker than their usual versions...
Hehe, that's just what I think but I think it gives them much more depth (sorry, I've got to admit fanon 2P doesn't really interest meSweating a little... ). 
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The-Adorkable-Nerd Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Ya...no. They look nice and awesome and all but it better be a mistake because I like the Non-Official designs of most of the characters...so even if these come out as official I will say it's stupid = - = I like them...but just no...
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((^^; I like the non-official ones too... The only problem is that they aren't really known in Japan. These, on the other hand, may end up being the ones Japanese fans will end up taking to...
To be honest, I actually really like the new ones. Especially for Romano... Who can resist that smile~?))
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The-Adorkable-Nerd Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Well I like them...just... D: I like the ones now, but they are awesomely adorable ^^
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Mangaotakufreak Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2013  Student General Artist
I can honestly say that I have no idea. O.O

Although I would actually prefer that Himaruya doesn't add the 2p!s in the manga. Sure it would be fun to see how the 2p!s and 1p!s would really react with each other, but everything would be official. They would have defined personalizes and looks and I really prefer seeing everyone's different versions of their 2p!s. If everything becomes canon, almost everyone will start using the one's Himaruya created. Everything would be the same and there would be no creativity.
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Although, I have a question. Didn't the fans create the design for the 2p!s ? If I remember correctly Beek created 2p! England's design.
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:iconask-2p-mmd-feliciano:
((*nods* Yeah, I can see that... Although to be honest, the Nyotalia characters made an appearance, but we still don't know all that much about their personalities, aside from some details. Who knows?

Yes, the fans did make many of the designs. However, they only made them after Himaruya himself made the designs for the Axis and Nyotalia characters. So, in a way, it's a mix. The 2P designs for the allies are based on the ones for the Nyotalia characters. For example, 2P!Nyo!England was wearing a pink dress, had blue eyes, and had a plate of sweets in her hand. Going from that, Beek made 2P!England's design. The same goes for the others.))
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The-Missing-Alice Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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I'm fangirling so badly right now!!! :heart: :heart: :heart:
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:iconask-2p-mmd-feliciano:
((^^ Same here... Do you think they might be the real designs, or is Himaruya just leading us on?))
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The-Missing-Alice Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hmm...
It looks to me like a mixture of both possible 2P designs and just the deeper sides of the characters that are rarely seen.
Either way, it seems like all good fun to Himaruya-san.
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:iconask-2p-mmd-feliciano:
((^^ Yep. It sure does.))
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:icontrouble-troublemaker:
( they're not 2P ;w; the translated blog says that they are different versions of themselves as iN America, there's mentally strong America and Physically strong America, you get what I mean? )
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:iconask-2p-mmd-feliciano:
((I know, and that's what I originally thought... but given the filenames, I don't think it's mere coincidence. Besides, given that Himaruya is also known as the "Trollking," I wouldn't be surprised if they were 2Ps, but just not outright said... Technically, that's what the original 2Ps were as well. For example, "bad-boy Italy" and such...
Besides, America's filename is especially interesting... Another official name for the 2Ps is "Another Color." America's filename translates to "2nd Color America." Again, it might be coincidence, but who knows?))
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:icontrouble-troublemaker:
( why would you go off file names!? Just wait until Himaruya announces it it's wasteful to come up with theories besides why would the file names be english anyway? Maybe a bad translation? )
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:iconask-2p-mmd-feliciano:
((*sighs* Like I said, Himaruya is known to be a troll. I compare him to people like Steven Moffat and Tetsuya Nomura in that aspect. Whether or not these are official designs may never be known. And theories are actually really interesting. The filenames aren't in English, that is just the translation. The actual filename is "2syokunoamerica." 
The reason I go off of filenames is because I don't think it's coincidence, and since Himaruya is a troll, he'll probably be hiding clues. The one with France and England is called "2p." The one with Russia is "2p4." China's is "2p5." If you were to compare this to other filenames for the pictures he puts on his blog, this is significant. Usually, he names the pictures after something related to the blog post or the picture itself, but with these... Well, there has to be a reason he used 2p in so many of the names...
Someone else (and I don't know if I can trust this source, but we'll have to see) also said that they have a friend in contact with him, and apparently he will officially be adding the 2P characters, though whether these are the real designs remains to be seen.))
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( I 'm sorry but do y ou really believe someone has a friend who is in contact with him ???? Proof! Get your proof! As for the 2p4 2p5 don't you think that could be more like 2 part 4/5 ??? honestly getting excited is useless even if himaruya is a troll or whatever he would say outright what his designs mean. I mean the original 2P designs were made over a year or even two years ago !!! He hasn't even made the male allied 2P versions!!! I really hate to burst your bubble but if he was going to include 2P's he would have done it a LONG time ago. Even if he is going to include them- it will take anther year or two maybe! How long do you think it too to recreate those designs?? I swear he won't even think twice about not including them. As for the friend who's in contact with himaruya ask them for proof then believe everything they say. )
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:iconask-2p-mmd-feliciano:
((I already said, I don't know if I can trust this source. I have asked them, and have yet to hear back from them.
And what would it be parts of, anyway? For his comics, he does the name (in Japanese, of course), and then whatever number picture it is, and all in a row. With that logic, it would be 2p, part 4 and 2p part 5. It still doesn't make sense.
Clearly you don't get what a trolling creator does- they don't outright say anything about their plans. Or, if they do, they often lead people on. (Dammit, Moffat...)
Here's a quote from Tv Tropes:
"Hidekaz Himaruya, the creator of Axis Powers Hetalia has trolled the massive fandom a number of times, slipping his schedule for hours at a time, not really giving a clear answer on anything, not showing his face, and just keeping the fandom on its toes in general."
The "slipping his schedule" actually did happen, and I can confirm this- between August of 2012 and August of 2013, there were no updates whatsoever. Before his update in July of 2012, he hadn't updated since January of that year, in which he apologized for being so late about the Christmas event in 2011, which he never finished. (I still want to know whose legs those were we were seeing...)
Trust me... I know a lot about trolling creators in general... If I become a writer, I'll probably be very similar...
Yes, it will probably take another year. Or ten, given his track record... >.>
Don't get me wrong, I do like the fan designs, but I'd still be happy if these were the official designs. I will miss our good old cupcake-eating England, though...
Again, it might not be true, but I wouldn't be so quick to shoot it down...
And, if it is true, Himaruya might suddenly take another year-long absence, in which he won't update for months on end, and leave us all in the dark about these things...
You know what? Screw Moffat... Dammit Himaruya!))
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:icontrouble-troublemaker:
( wow no Himaruya is not a troll compared to Moffat or Hussie, seriously he doesn't even scratch the surface.

But whatever, I won't believe they are 2P's until Himaruya himself states it or he colours the drawings at least???

It doesn't make sense, I guess they ARE alter egos, but they're still the same person, the same colour scheme and everything. 

Who cares if he includes them or not, to be honest I prefer the 2P's didn't have personalities or legitimate designs because the fans can go crazy and get as creative as they want to be, not all copies of Beek's England which she keeps changing. 

Besides I don't think a hiatus is trolling because people have lives and things to do like taxes maybe, and even being unclear doesn't make him a troll, he's just letting the fandom do as it wishes with what it's got. 

So then you CANNOT say that those are cannon 2P designs, but you can ASSUME they are. )
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:iconask-2p-mmd-feliciano:
((I don't know much about Hussie, but at least Moffat is on time when it comes to this sort of thing...

^^; I'm hoping he colors them eventually. These are more along the lines of possible designs, and he might pick one from the different versions. (one of the two Americas, one of the three Russias, etc.)

Actually, it was never stated that the original 2Ps are different people either. That was all the fans' idea. It sorta makes you wonder...

*nods* Yeah, I like that aspect too... The only problem I have is that the fans keep portraying them as insane murderers who want to take over the world... It has gotten to the point where I can't stand that kind of portrayal...

That's true, but normally, on a hiatus, people at least tell what is going on. This hiatus was because he was working on Volume 6 of the manga, and he never mentioned it on his blog. Even before, when he worked on different volumes, he was able to update. Even if he isn't purposely trolling, many fans still perceive it as such, especially when they want more updates for a certain webcomic... >.>

I never did say they are canon, but at the same time, there's not much to say they aren't either. But everyone is entitled to their own thoughts... I still think it's pretty likely.))
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2P-Prussia-Ask Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2013
((Japan already has an official design but you never know~ more research/ looking out on his pages will help^^ ))
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:iconask-2p-mmd-feliciano:
((^^ I knew about Japan. His was from around the same time as Italy's and Germany's. And someone else posted an interesting comment (I'm not sure if it's true or not) saying that their friend has contact with Himaruya, and he said that he's going to add the 2Ps to the series... It's a bit dubious, but... >.>))
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2P-Prussia-Ask Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2013
(( Hmmm....if he does ^^ my prayers have been answered. But I don't know. It would be cool if he does^^
And yup! Same time^^ ))
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:iconask-2p-mmd-feliciano:
((Mine too~ But this also means they'll have official personalities then as well... That's the part that makes me a little nit nervous, but I'm still so interested!
^^ I was right, then~))
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2P-Prussia-Ask Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2013
((Well Veneciano Italy already had a set personality  but we would actually get to see it put out. It doesn't make me nervous at all. Cause my view is so different than others, I look forward to knowing the truth. It still won't change other's views though I am sure. They can just be like the normal cast now, dark, insane, meh. 
^^))
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:iconask-2p-mmd-feliciano:
((*nods* That's true. Himaruya did say he was a bad boy... ^^ I can't wait to see how that's pulled off in the series, if it happens~!
Yeah... The fans sure like their insane cast... >.>))
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2P-Prussia-Ask Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2013
(( yeah...murderers, insane killers. I don't mind them being on the dark side =_= but really?????))
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:iconask-2p-mmd-feliciano:
((Yeah... Dark is fine, but I especially don't like the idea that they want to kill their original selves... I mean seriously? Ugh...))
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DoctorCatastrophe Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
2P!s... Now they might finally make an appearance in the manga or the anime... Maybe.
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:iconask-2p-mmd-feliciano:
((I hope so. Someone said they have contact with Himaruya and he will, but I dunno...))
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DoctorCatastrophe Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
That person is lucky if they're telling the truth.
Yeah... The designs look cool though.
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:iconask-2p-mmd-feliciano:
((Yep. They sure are...
^^ Yeah. I especially like Romano's and China's.))
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DoctorCatastrophe Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
^^ Those are cool, I also like France's.
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:iconask-2p-mmd-feliciano:
((^^ Yeah. France does look awesome~))
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DoctorCatastrophe Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
XD All of them seem so badass.
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:iconask-2p-mmd-feliciano:
((Yup~ I love it~))
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AskOliverKirklandNOW Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Hm~ If you want, I'll get my friends to ask him.  She's fully in touch and she said he's planing on adding the 2ps to the actual series ^^))
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:iconask-2p-mmd-feliciano:
((Would you really?! And you're not joking right?! It would seriously be awesome if these are the 2P designs!))
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AskOliverKirklandNOW Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
All you have to do is ask me ^^ Oh and the next season is Capitalia))
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CaeriLorem Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2013  Hobbyist
So cute~

Well, maybe he just wants to make other outfits for them. Like for America, the one who specified in law and the one who strong in physical... I think maybe they are just some 'what if's, but I don't know about Russia or China... since they look really... err different from the original?
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:iconask-2p-mmd-feliciano:
((That is a possibility. Then again, that could have originally been what the first 2Ps were... The whole personalities thing was created by the fans, really.))
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Ask-1p-2p-Malta Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2013
(These are all beautiful--)
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:iconask-2p-mmd-feliciano:
((I know... The only problem is what the fans might think... >.> They seem to love the blood-thirsty interpretation...))
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AskChaosItaliesandco Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
(Fanon's interpretation of that is why they're so popular...and why Feli's scared of them. I see them as opposites myself)
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((Yeah... Then again, in Japan, the interpretation is a bit different. We have to see what the Japanese think now, and then see the response from the western fans to see whether that fanon interpretation sticks or not...
I also see them as opposites. It makes more sense to me, and it fits some of the designs a bit better.))
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AskChaosItaliesandco Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
(The Japanese Fanbase is also more sane...)
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:iconask-2p-mmd-feliciano:
((That is true...))
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Ask-1p-2p-Malta Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2013
((I hate that interpretation ;.;
I see them as opposites(Though I did get hate for thinking that), not killers ono))
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:iconask-2p-mmd-feliciano:
((I see them as opposites too. I really can't stand all those fanfics with them being pure evil and trying to kill everyone... 
I am so glad that these designs don't seem to give them the traits of killers... I love how normal they are...))
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Ask-1p-2p-Malta Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2013
((Yeah, same... Though when I was new, I did do that...(Eventually got past it)
Same, I really like Flavio's-))
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